Minutes LJC JCP Committee – April 2013

LJC  JCP- Committee Meeting

Date : 23rd April 2013

Time: 18:30

Attendees:

• Ben Evans

• Martijn Verburg

• Simon Maple

• Richard Warburton

• David Illsley

• Somay Nakhal

Thanks for Jim for scheduling the meetings and JClarity for hosting

• Take minutes – Somay

• Send updates to OTN and Java magazine – Martijn.

• JSR states on trello board – Updated by Martijn.

• Previous month meeting minutes – posted by Simon.

• Voting records on wiki – was updated by Ben.

• Scheduling next Meeting – Jim volunteered.

• Reach out to Spring about CDI – Martijn to follow up.

• Landing page for Adopt a JSR – Martijn to talk to Sonya at java.net to arrange it.

• Blog about signing the OCA/JSPA – Jim to write blog.

• How to run Adopt a JSR presentation – Richard to make available on java.net

• Blog post 358 position statement – All to update document.

• “What should the JCP be doing?” Survey – Ben to take to Zurich meeting for the EC opinion.

LJC JCP Committee Minutes for March 2013

LJC JCP Committee Minutes for March 2013

Apologies for the delayed publication of these minutes. If you have any questions about what we’re doing or what goes on at these meetings, please get in touch.

In attendance:

Martijn, Richard, David, Kim, Jim

* David started a tradition of adding Puppies to minutes
* Martijn is to complete the Adopt a JSR community page and redirect the adoptajsr.java.net to the new community site. This could also include the following features:

• How do I get started button
• Coverflow of JSR status (content flow)

* Recent hack days were successful, however we need to get more feedback/follow up back to the Spec Leads, Expert Groups etc.

* Ben to pass onto the JCP EC that perhaps all of the lawyers ccurrently discussing JSR 358 could get together and write some guidance for corporate lawyers on how the JSPA and OCA work, an FAQ if you will.

* Encourage the “Adopt a JSR” programme to also focus on delivering feedback at the EC level, e.g. Try to kick-start more technical discussions on the EC.

* Ben to suggest renaming/repurposing the EDR stage to a “Tech Review” stage to encourage early tech review of JSRs.

LJC JCP meeting minutes. January 9th 2013

LJC JCP Committee Minutes

Apologies for the delayed publication of these minutes. If you have any questions about what we’re doing or what goes on at these meetings, please get in touch.
In attendance:
Ben, Richard, Somay, Martijn, Simon, Kim, Graham

The committee met over the New Year and updated the trello boards.

No voting in January

Somay to organise Feb meeting

Adopt-a-JSR article for OTN discussion.  pre-submission

Engage Oracle in discussion with regards to their plans for JavaFX and standardisation – Resolved. Open Source

Got some momentum with JavaEE – 4 people and going….

Hardware for Adopt OpenJDK – Resolved. Not proceeding

JCP.next III – quick discussion to get us up to date.

Landing page for Adopt-a-JSR – In progress –
http://community.java.net/community/adoptajsr

Looking for content input, Hashtag, graphics

Currency JSR… Ben has resigned. Concerns about how the JSR is progressing

Richard looking at scraping jcp.org for calendar

Nashorn hackday – 2nd March tentative

EE7 in public review – query about why/how it’s ahead of some component specs

JSON JSR – Richard raised some concerns about performance considerations. David to follow up with EG

CDI 2.0 – If it happens, keen to see a broader participation.

LJC Minutes for Meeting on 25th July 2012

Attendees:

• Martijn Verburg
• David Illsley
• Somay Nakhal
• Jim Gough
• Trisha Gee
• Richard Warburton

Adopt a JSR

General consensus to run the Adopt OpenJDK style hackdays for the Adopt a JSR program.

Action Items:

• RW/JG/MV/BE – Write a “How to run your hack day” article for Java Magazine and the wiki – Google doc
• RW – Organise a 308 Type annotations hack day
• RW/MV – Organise a F2F with JAX organisers to sort out JAX London Lambdas Hackday in October
• SN – Organise hackdays for CDI (contact Luigi) and JSON + Websockets
• MV – Get hold of Colin Crist for JMS 2.0 (or IBM)

Voting:

• We will vote yes on SIP Servlet 2.0 (JSR-359), it simply brings an existing standard up to JEE6 which we think is a good thing.

Action Items:

• BE – Submit “Yes” vote for JSR-359 (Done)

Misc:

The rest of the meeting was spent discussing aspects of Java 8 and its modularity story, a decision was made to discuss further with Oracle.

Cheers,

Martijn (on behalf of the LJC JCP Committee)

LJC Minutes for Meeting on 18th June 2012

Minutes for June 18th, as always, questions, comments etc are welcome!

Attendees

• Ben Evans
• Trisha Gee
• James Gough
• David Illsley
• Richard Warburton
• Martijn Verburg

Thanks for Jim for scheduling the meetings and JClarity for hosting

JSR Voting:
355 – JCP Executive Committee Merge Public Review Ballot

  Voted Yes with comment:

The LJC believes strongly that Java is one platform and that a smaller, more focused committee will produce results on more responsive timescales.

358 – A major revision of the Java Community Process

  JSR Review Ballot Vote scheduled for June 28 – July 9th

  Discussed the background and a couple of minor points and agreed to follow-up via e-mail.

AdoptAJSR

• Successfully migrated to a java.net project – adoptajsr.java.net
• Now has a much larger communal mailing list ~ 67 members
• Further discussion on JavaEE JSRs and low level of interest from the LJC. Had one additional expression of interest. Jim to follow-up on EE.

AdoptOpenJDK

• Not really a JCP topic, so in future going to move discussion out of this group.
• Had a Lambdas hack day. Lots of interesting feedback. Trying to organise another one. Planned for 30 June.
• AI: Ben: Blog about Lambda Hackday

Ongoing

• JDK Statistical analysis tools – still talking to Oracle

Other

• Ben mentioned his piece on the BBC
• Lots of Committee Representation at JavaOne!
• LJC panel, BoF Adopt A JSR, BoF JSR 310, JavaFX, Modern Software Development Antipatterns, Disruptor, OpenJDK Building and testing

Minutes for the LJC/JCP Committee Meeting on 28th May

Attendees

Ben Evans
Martijn Verburg
James Gough
Trisha Gee
David Illsley
Somay Nakhal
Richard Warburton

Admin

• Everyone happy with meetings at jClarity offices.
• JG to doodle for next meeting
• RW to write up minutes from last meeting, and this meeting.

Adopt OpenJDK
The committee discussed the progress being made in this space.  A combination of a mailing list and an irc channel seems to have spurred contributions and made it easier to run and manage.  It would be a good idea to backport these to adopt a jsr.

• Still plan to keep Adopt a JSR separate from Adopt OpenJDK.
• RW + MV to setup a mailing list and irc channel for Adopt a JSR – (Done).

Brazil Face to Face

• A lot of procedural discussion.
• Several ME members not turning up.
• Next version of ME will be rebaselined off of Java 7 in 18 months.
• TOTVS (co-hosting with Soujava) introduced the Committee to Ginga-J – a Java-based digital TV standard used on top of the ISDB-T international standard (used primarily in Japan & South America)
  • This has the potential to allow developers to reach a South American user base of 350 million users via their TVs.
  • The potential and challenges that TOTVS face on the TV standardisation committees bear some similarities to those faced in other parts of the JCP.
  •  Strategies for co-operation with other standards organisations were discussed
  • Also ways to ensure that Java remains a central part of the ISDB-T story for IPTV.
• Adopt Openjdk discussion at the Face to Face
  • Discussions with Anil Kumar at Intel.
  • Possible Hardware to host adopt openjdk.
  • Initially this could be hosted by LJC, but eventually broaden out to a larger community.
• Some desire to extend the length of use for OpenJDK TCK to 5 years from Azul, however, no solid conclusions on the matter.

Lambdas Hackday

• … went very well
• Some bugs found, and some lessons learned for further hackday discussion.
• RW to write up feedback for discussion on the mailing list – (Done).

Other Business

• RW + JG to organise JSR 310 Hackday in London.
• JG to investigate Java EE standards further
• BE & MV to ask about putting Private LJC List read-only on the JCP Mailing List.

Minutes for the LJC/JCP Committee Meeting on 29th March

Minutes for 29th March, as always, questions, comments etc are welcome!

Attendees

• Ben Evans
• Trisha Gee
• James Gough
• Richard Warburton

Developments
We voted no to JSR 357, one of the spec leads will be investigating the core concepts of this JSR in an open source, community setting and then may reinvestigate standardisation after the issues that we pointed out are corrected.
Richard Warburton to writeup why we voted no.

Membership
With several committee members presently expanding their families we’re not as numerically strong as we were late last year.
James Gough to investigate the situation.

Oracle Meeting
We’re meeting Cecilia Borg, from Oracle, on 17th April in order to represent community interests.
Ben Evans to book a table for this.

EC Relations
We should invite Scot Baldry to a future JCP Committee meeting in order to facility relations with other non-vendor EC memembers.
Ben Evans to talk to Scot about when he’s free.

RI Licensing Issue
We’re unsure as to whether OCSL Appendix D licensing rules apply to open source projects.
Ben Evans to confirm with Oracle as to the status of this.

Trello Review
Richard Warburton to adopt JSR 308 and try to encourage user participation.
Richard Warburton to write up a blog post on why JSR 348 is an improvement.

Hackdays
LJC should run monthly adopt an openjdk hackdays, and needs more instructor level people in order to be able to achieve ethis.
Ben Evans to talk to community contacts about locations.
Instructors to meet and skill-up on 16th April.
Next hackday scheduled for 23rd April.

Minutes for the LJC/JCP Committee Meeting on 22nd February

Minutes for Dec 6th, as always, questions, comments etc are welcome!

Attendees

• Ben Evans
• Trisha Gee
• Somay Nakhal
• Richard Warburton

Minutes

• JCP. next meeting needs to be scheduled by 7th of march
• TG & RW to produce a layman’s interpretation of JSR 348
• We’re still looking for a good solution to track the timeline of JSRs.  We’ve created a new Trello board with the JSRs that are currently active and the stages they are in.
• We need to come up with a list of standard things to do for JSRs at specific stages – e.g. kick off Adopt a JSR; request feedback from the community on using it, etc.
• All: edit JSRs on trello to point to the relevant places
• RW to fix labelling on the JSR Trello
• Trish gave an update on JSR 343 – JMS 2.0
• JSR 354 – Currency – adopted by Ben
• JSR 353 – JSON – adopted by Somay
• RW gave an update on JSR 310 – date/time

Minutes for the LJC/JCP Committee Meeting on 3rd January 2012

Hi all,

Minutes for 3rd Jan 2012, as always, questions, comments etc are welcome!

Attendees

• Ben Evans
• Martijn Verburg
• Michael Barker
• Somay Nakhal
• Richard Warburton

Minutes

• JSR-331 – Concerns were addressed, EG is more diverse
• Voting record on Java.net was updated by MB
• BE Waiting for Spec lead of 351 to set up webinar
• TG has set up a shared calendar for early JSR reviews and dissemination of our reviews
• Get a volunteer to introduce Raoul-Gabriel Urma to the right people in the OpenJDK for his ‘Relationships in Java’ prototype or more likely, set-up a project so people can take a look (via patches) (MB/MV)
• JSR 344: JavaServer Faces 2.2 – Early Draft Review – (Committee to seek volunteers)
• JSR 339: Java API for RESTful Web Services – Early Draft Review – MV found an Adopt a JSR Lead
  
• JSR 346: Contexts and Dependency Injection for Java EE 1.1 – Early Draft Review – (Committee to seek volunteers)
  
• JSR 342: Java EE 7 – (BE to investigate EG composition further, raise at F2F in Jan)
• Jigsaw: – Committee to investigate progress of JEP (MV to chase Neil Bartlett / Tim Ellison)
• Adopt a JSR materials for JUGs:
  1- MV created the overview presentation. 5 minutes on what the JSR is about and what it means for the regular developer
  2- Technical deep dive – 10-60 minutes on how to use the result of the JSR, implementation details, best practices… All a developer needs to get from “Haven’t heard about” to “Almost Guru” (MV/JG)
• MB to lead OpenJDK Adoption and set up a monthly regular session – find a venue via BC
• MV to investigate with Oracle about access to statistical analysis tools.
• MV to ask JUG leaders list to assist with further JSRs
• F2F – Ben has raised discussing all active JSRs for Agenda

Cheers,

Martijn (On behalf of the LJC JCP Committee)

Minutes for the LJC/JCP Committee Meeting on 19th October

Attendees

• Richard Warburton
• Somay Nakhal
• Ben Evans
• James Gough
• Martijn Verburg
• Trish Gee
• Mike Barker

Agenda

• Review TODOs from last meeting
• JSR-331- Constraints Programming for Java – Proposed Final Draft. We have Openness and Transparency Concerns.
  • There’s one potential Adopt a JSR LJC member that we can use to look into this (Lanre)
• JSR-333 – Content Repository API – Early Draft Review, last day of review: 30 October 2011.
• JSR-351 – Identity.  As we have major concerns about the validity of this JSR we should discuss whether to get them in for a presentation.
  • Meta: Stimulating discussion about JSRs on the SE/EE list. e.g. we didn’t publicise our concerns about JSR 351 on the SE/EE EC alias – and I think a lot of other members would have had more concerns if we’d spoken up on-list
• Adopt a JSR program
  • Progress Reports on existing Adopted JSRs
  • Discussion on where we go next with this
  • Publicising the list of people who have joined the program back to the LJC (and beyond)
• Adopt the OpenJDK program
• Discuss candidates for the upcoming JCP elections
• Other business

Minutes

• Issues from last meeting were reviewed
• JSR-331 – BE to send to SE/EE list saying we’re going to vote no and here’s why. Before he does, check with Werner Kiel.
  • We need to list our criteria for voting on any JSR on the Java.net wiki (MB)
  • We need to update our voting record on Java.net (BE/MB)
• Look into into 333 for our voting stance (MB)
• Accept 351 invitation for webinar (BE)
  • JCP.next.next solicit comments before the vote (BE to ask Patrick)
• Launch Adopt a JSR by end of Oct (MV)
  • 350 report, new Java.net project, (SM will adopt a JSR)
  • Submit a BOF on JSR-310 at Open Conference (JG)
  • Find people to ‘Adopt the JMS 2.0 JSR’, (TG talk to BE)
• Set up a JCP Committee voting poll (MV)
  • Post early endorsement of a candidate (BE/MV)
  • Promote this election (All of us)
• Lead an ‘Adopt an OpenJDK’ (TBA)
  • Get a collection of LJC people to work on the build (MV)
  • Propose Oracle to allow JEPs without being a committer (MV/BE/TG/MB at Devoxx)
• Next meeting to be scheduled for November, the week after Devoxx (BE/MV)
• We need to have our contact details in a Shared Document (Everyone)
• Martijn to buy the next lot of Wine (MV)

Cheers,

Martijn (On behalf of the LJC JCP Committee)