Hi all,

For those who don’t already know – the LJC was an official Java User Group (JUG) under Sun and after Oracle’s purchase of Sun we are also considered to be an official JUG under Oracle.  However, Oracle also already have an International Oracle User Group (IOUC) structure, which is how they are currently managing their interaction with the JUGs.

There have been many discussions on the JUG leaders mailing list (as well as some in person meetings with Oracle) as to how the JUGs should
interact with Oracle. I won’t bore you to death with the long arguments and debate (those who are interested can get the full story
from me) but I thought I’d let you know what the current state of the play is.

1. We’ve signed up to the IOUC community portal so that we can be made aware of the details of any Oracle lead events (e.g. JavaOne).

2. We’re on a fortnightly call with JUG leaders and Oracle to discuss topics/concerns about the Java eco-system.

3. Oracle would like the JUGs to be organised a little bit more formally so they can communicate with us easier on a geographical level (e.g. Europe) and so that when they organise events like JavaOne that they can offer the free/discounted tickets, organise JUG leader days and other such things. To be clear Oracle are _not_ asking us to hand over any sort of control in any way, shape or form. They’re simply struggling to deal with the 100’s (1000’s?) of individual JUGs when it comes to organising global or regional events.  Their intent is to also engage locally with each JUG as well (we already have some Oracle employees in the LJC, so we’re sorted on that front).

3.a) The JUG leaders mailing list have flipped that around a little and are currently debating whether to organise ourselves a little more formally, not just for dealing with Oracle, but for dealing with any vendor/entity in the Java eco-system.

We don’t know where this is going at this stage but rest assured we won’t be signing up to _anything_ without discussion with the community first.  However, despite some of Oracle’s public gaffs in dealing with the various Java and other communities it inherited from Sun – there’s much to be positive about.  There’s certainly a willingness on Oracle’s side to be a good community partner with the JUGs as opposed to controlling them.

Let us know if you want any further details!